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Re: Graphic converter query - transparency

by real-address-in-sig@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rowland McDonnell) Jul 23, 2008 at 05:58 PM

zoara <me18@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> 
> > Tim Streater <timstreater@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > 
> > >  me18@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (zoara) wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > > > > And I don't see how anyone could dislike acquiring useful
knowledge.
> > > > 
> > > > Plenty of people are happy just going down the pub and drinking
> > > > themselves silly every night. They have no interest in acquiring
> > > > knowledge, and that's just an extreme example to make a point.
> > > 
> > > Certainly not what we might call useful knowledge anyway. Knowledge
> > > about Big Brothers contestants, WAGs, and other non-entities who
infest
> > > hello and OK, yes.
> > 
> > I don't see what examples of `no interest in...' have to do with
> > `disliking...'.
> 
> I could have written it as:
> 
> Plenty of people are happy just going down the pub and drinking
> themselves silly every night. They dislike acquiring knowledge ("That's
> ****ing boring mate, shut up and drink"), and that's just an extreme
> example to make a point.

No, it's a made-up example to make a point.

> But anyway, Tim's got a point and I was wrong. People *do* like
> acquiring knowledge; it's just that different people have different
> measures of what's useful knowledge. You consider history to be useful;
> many people don't.

The reason I consider history to be useful knowledge is for the same
reason that everyone else with any education considers it to be useful
knowledge.

You talk as if my opinion on this matter were some kind of deviation
from the norm: it's not, it's the majority opinion amongst educated
people.

A society without history has no past - and no future.  (the correct
ripost to Henry Ford's `History is bunk')

And you can add: `Those who fail to learn from the mistakes of the past
are condemned to repeat them'.

Rowland.

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Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-06-28 06:01:43 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-28 11:24:37 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-06-28 23:44:35 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-29 01:17:02 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-06-29 04:45:01 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
Chris Ridd <chrisridd@  2008-06-29 07:20:58 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-06-30 01:02:38 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-29 10:47:38 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
peter@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-29 10:56:18 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-06-30 01:02:39 
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%steve%@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-06-29 11:17:39 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
"Woody" <use  2008-06-29 11:39:17 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
%steve%@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-06-29 11:58:20 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
jim@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (j  2008-06-29 12:11:36 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
peterd.news@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-06-29 16:20:23 
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%steve%@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-06-29 17:18:06 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-06-30 01:02:38 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-30 08:04:56 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-03 06:16:18 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-03 07:39:03 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
Jim <jim@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-03 08:45:07 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
Chris Ridd <chrisridd@  2008-07-03 11:35:00 
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usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-03 18:33:56 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
Chris Ridd <chrisridd@  2008-07-03 18:59:47 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-03 21:15:44 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
"Woody" <use  2008-07-03 21:48:36 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-05 11:28:03 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-05 17:30:19 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-15 16:27:35 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-15 19:12:58 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-22 01:27:29 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
me18@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-22 11:00:10 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
Tim Streater <timstrea  2008-07-22 18:56:14 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-22 19:43:17 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
me18@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-23 11:40:31 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-23 17:58:00 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
me18@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-24 11:18:00 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-26 03:47:34 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-22 18:46:19 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
jim@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (J  2008-07-04 07:04:46 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
peterd.news@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-04 09:43:44 
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me18@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-04 14:13:29 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
"Woody" <use  2008-07-04 14:16:57 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
peterd.news@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-04 15:10:32 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
me18@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-04 17:24:42 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-05 11:28:04 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
me18@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-05 12:15:14 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-05 13:43:35 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-05 11:28:03 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
jim@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (J  2008-07-05 12:27:26 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
jim@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (J  2008-07-05 12:33:46 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-05 13:43:35 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-05 13:43:34 
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jim@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (J  2008-07-05 16:53:45 
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peterd.news@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-05 23:01:01 
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ames@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-05 22:31:03 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
peterd.news@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-06 10:39:11 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
ames@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-06 12:40:43 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
peterd.news@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-06 14:18:38 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
"Woody" <use  2008-07-06 14:28:57 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
ames@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-06 16:55:33 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
peterd.news@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-06 21:47:32 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
ames@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-06 22:50:29 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
peterd.news@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-07 10:46:00 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-13 13:26:50 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
jim@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (J  2008-07-15 20:31:15 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-21 16:06:29 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
Jim <jim@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-21 16:23:12 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
Chris Ridd <chrisridd@  2008-07-21 16:32:57 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
Jim <jim@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-21 16:38:47 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-22 02:14:42 
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jim@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (j  2008-07-22 07:08:35 
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real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-22 18:21:52 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
jim@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (j  2008-07-22 19:50:57 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-08-01 16:02:35 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
Jim <jim@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-08-01 16:10:46 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
matthew.sylvester@[EMAIL   2008-08-01 16:19:17 
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real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-08-03 04:01:47 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
Chris Ridd <chrisridd@  2008-08-03 06:56:49 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
Ian McCall <ian@[EMAIL  2008-08-03 09:23:58 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
Chris Ridd <chrisridd@  2008-08-03 10:04:14 
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jim@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (j  2008-08-03 10:08:52 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
Ian McCall <ian@[EMAIL  2008-08-03 12:32:57 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
Chris Ridd <chrisridd@  2008-08-03 13:53:25 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
NEWS@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-08-03 10:07:53 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
Chris Ridd <chrisridd@  2008-08-03 10:23:56 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
NEWS@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-08-10 15:34:34 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
Chris Ridd <chrisridd@  2008-08-10 16:09:23 
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jim@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (j  2008-08-03 09:11:45 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
Chris Ridd <chrisridd@  2008-08-03 09:14:01 
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jim@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (j  2008-08-03 09:18:59 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
nonesuch@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-07-21 19:10:31 
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real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-22 02:14:42 
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nonesuch@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-07-22 19:04:41 
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real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-08-03 04:01:47 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
me18@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-01 13:48:56 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
Jaimie Vandenbergh <ja  2008-07-01 14:29:12 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-03 06:16:18 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-03 06:16:18 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
peterd.news@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-03 10:01:47 
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me18@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-03 10:51:24 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-03 21:15:45 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
me18@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-04 00:17:57 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-05 11:28:02 
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peterd.news@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-05 23:01:54 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
Tim Streater <tim.stre  2008-07-03 11:10:32 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-03 21:15:44 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
me18@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-04 00:18:00 
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usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-04 00:24:37 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
Stimpy <stimpy1997uk@[  2008-07-04 08:58:13 
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Paul Russell <prussell  2008-07-04 10:03:31 
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real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-05 12:46:50 
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usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-05 17:30:19 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
jim@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (J  2008-07-05 17:49:30 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-08 17:21:44 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
Tim Streater <tim.stre  2008-07-08 17:36:49 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-08 17:21:43 
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usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-08 18:26:54 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-13 13:26:50 
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usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-13 18:03:24 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-15 13:25:26 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-15 19:28:05 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-22 01:27:28 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-22 18:46:19 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-05 11:28:02 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
me18@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-05 12:15:14 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-13 13:26:49 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
me18@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-13 18:05:52 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
peterd.news@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-13 18:27:56 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
peter@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-13 19:38:02 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-15 13:25:26 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
peterd.news@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-15 21:39:56 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
me18@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-15 23:28:52 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-22 01:27:28 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
me18@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-22 11:00:11 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-22 19:16:14 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
me18@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-23 11:40:32 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-23 17:58:00 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
me18@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-24 13:35:17 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-26 03:47:33 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-07-15 13:25:26 
Re: Graphic converter query - transparency
David Sankey <D.P.C.Sa  2008-07-01 14:32:50 
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g.harper@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-06-29 09:55:08 
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real-address-in-sig@[EMAI  2008-06-30 01:02:39 

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