On Sat, 17 May 2008 21:50:16 +0100, wildrover.andy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Andy Hewitt) wrote:
>T i m <news@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>[..]
>> >Hmmm.
>>
>> You see there are so many variables and combinations that all 'just
>> work' if you are willing to be a bit flexible you can often get a good
>> deal. Like, I say to my mate 'could you get me the best VFM C2D cpu on
>> the day' as the prices of this gear vary frequently. It's not unknown
>> for a faster version on 'special' to be cheaper than a slower one?
>
>If I wanted to do a build I see your point. However, like the reason for
>buying a Honda car, I want to buy something to 'just work'.
Fairy muff, I have never said you should do anything else. When I want
something to 'just work' I prefer to build it myself because I don't
know what I'll want the box to be tomorrow and can't afford to buy
another complete box tomorrow.
Like with the Mac Mini ... quite a few people buy them for role A then
move them to role B but then ask if they can do X, Y and Z with / to
them to make them suit role B better. When I build a machine I have
already factored in the though that I may want to change it's role,
possibly even in the near future. [1]
>
>> >> > but I'd still have to run an OS that doesn't suit
>> >> >what I do,
>> >>
>> >> <snip OT OS / App issues>
>> >
>> >Hmmm.
>>
>> We were talking hardware. ;-)
>
>Actually, it's the whole package.
Of course, but I (at least) was talking about hardware .. I never
mentioned any OS?
> If I could build a PC and run Mac OSX
>on it, I would.
Why, what's wrong with the Apple hardware then (and I thought you
could in any case .. the Hackintosh ..)?
>
>[..]
>> >I've always seen this as a positive, right back to when I bought my
>> >first computer - an Atari XL800.
>>
>> Understood, horses for courses etc but as part of my enjoyment is
>> having the freedom and flexibility of a vast range of compatible
>> hardware I find anything that doesn't offer said 'limiting'. Maybe
>> this is helped because *I* can get this stuff all working easier than
>> some others? It's for the same reason I run a BMW motorbike or built a
>> MK2 Escort based kitcar, the huge range of cheaply and readily
>> available spares, accessories and options.
>
>Or buy something that doesn't need repairing in the first place. I had a
>BMW bike, and although it was reliable (in that it got from A to B),
>there was always something that needed replacing.
Because no matter what it is it will go wrong sometime. Ironically my
BM has been the least reliable of all my bikes ever. However I don't
*need* it (as in for commuting etc) and for what I use it for it suits
my needs. Their international popularity also means there is a pretty
good supply of cheap spares. If I wanted something that did what the
R100RT did and did so faultlessly for ever I'd get a 900 Divvy, but I
had one for a week and found it completely soulless. The only thing
I've bought where I'm pleased it just works is our Miele cleaner ...
that's because I don't have any interest in it and am unlikely to ever
want to modify it! ;-)
>
>> >> > Having a limited
>> >> >combination of possible configurations means it's easier to develop
the
>> >> >OS to work with it, and less chance of conflicts occuring.
>> >>
>> >> True, you are less likely to get into trouble wearing handcuffs ;-)
>> >
>> ><sigh>
>>
>> Isn't that what you (effectively) just said though?
>
>No. I choose a Mac because it does just work out of the box, I have some
>upgradeability, enough to enhance its use when needed.
Yes, I understand that Andy, but you sited the argument where 'having
a limited combination .. ' bit, for you as a plus, for me it's not. We
finished Jenny's new PC last night .. took the Audigy sound, 4 ****t
USB and Pinnacle DTV card out of her old PC and transferred them to
her new one, they all just worked, that's the flexibility I'm talking
about.
>
>> >Even as bloatware, it should have taken that long on a new machine.
>>
>> Correct. I just removed it from 'a new machine' and it took 7 mins
>> tops (it felt longer, it was probably less). Incidentally this was a
>> brand new Sony Vaio bought in the States and after a couple of weeks
>> he got me to take Vista off and put XP on. Everything works now and a
>> load faster.
>
>Hmm, I wonder if this is just Vista then.
Well, Vista was definitely a bigger burden to the hardware than XP
that's for sure but Vista was what I initially took Norton off and it
was fairly quick (slow compared with nearly any other app though etc).
[2]
>
>>
>> Maybe the next time Jenny and I are looking to go on a little ride-out
>> I can knock up a mini box and bring it up for you to play with, just
>> so you can see they *can* actually work reliably and predictably Andy!
>> ;-)
>
>But I know they can't. In one workplace I installed no less than 17
>brand new Acer PCs with XP Pro on them. They were all delivered at the
>same time. I installed them onto the network, copied across all the old
>user files, and installed new versions of Office. They did not all
>install exactly the same, although I used the same process to install
>each machine. Some had to be fiddled with to get them to work on the
>dealer 'intranet', where others just worked, amongst other issues.
I'm not sure what that has to do with the builds though Andy and it
sounds like software .. I'm not interested in software. ;-)
All the best ..
T i m
[1] Where the feck is that Mac Midi!!
[2] Another reason for doing yer own thing was when I 'upgraded' his
laptop from Vista to XP I didn't need to remove all the shovelware.
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