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> >My own observations would suggest that isn't so. Just look at the build
> >quality of a G5 case against a good ATX case for a start, there's no
way
> >an ATX box is ever made that well.
>
> Well, not looking at many Apple boxes I really can't say but from
> those I have seen or got I really can't see what they achieve over any
> average (30 quid) PC case? What is their purpose after all, to house
> .. oh hold on .. it's also go to be pedantically and irreverently
> 'neat' inside and look 'pretty' .. <sigh>.
Not really, it's just a solid lump of aluminium that's going to last for
years, and not fall apart in a couple like some of the plastic ones.
> > For sure Apple has had the odd
> >manufacture issue, the capacitors in the PSU for one, but similar
> >failures in Dell machines are far more common, and at a much shorter
> >service life.
>
> What's this obsession with Dell Andy???? FWIW I have worked with
> hundreds of Dells over the years but have only had one 'die' because
> of capacitor issues (and with many of them Dell replaced them foc)?
None at all, just a major brand that I use for comparison.
> >For sure, by careful selection of components I could make myself a very
> >good quality computer,
>
> No, by 'simple selection of components' ... I have bought some of the
> very cheapest components I could find and can't think of even one of
> them that has ever failed or been difficult to work with? With Jenny's
> new PC (and pretty well all those I have built before) we loosely
> choose the sort of components that were appropriate and typically
> accepted what was actually delivered (stock levels / price etc).
Hmmm.
> > but I'd still have to run an OS that doesn't suit
> >what I do,
>
> <snip OT OS / App issues>
Hmmm.
> >
> >And OK, some components are limited in availability, but this is
because
> >most are custom made to work with the Macs, the limited selection means
> >it's much easier to supply reliable drivers.
>
> Funny how you turn what most people would see as a negative into a
> positive Andy. Ok, I can see how what you say could be 'good' but not
> at the overall cost of being very very limited.
I've always seen this as a positive, right back to when I bought my
first computer - an Atari XL800.
> > Having a limited
> >combination of possible configurations means it's easier to develop the
> >OS to work with it, and less chance of conflicts occuring.
>
> True, you are less likely to get into trouble wearing handcuffs ;-)
<sigh>
> >I was working with a relatively new To****ba laptop a few days ago, a
few
> >months old, and it's Nortion trial period had expired. I went there to
> >uninstall it and install AVG. It took the thing nearly an hour and a
> >half just to uninstall the Norton stuff!
>
> Ok, I'm not sure what that has to do with what we were talking about
> as we all know Norton is bloatware and as much use to your PC as
> putting an elephant on your roofrack of your car.
Even as bloatware, it should have taken that long on a new machine.
> Maybe the(ir) mistake was actually running the trial version in the
> first place? And how on earth did you uninstall it for it to take that
> long, one file at a time!? Even though I agree with you in that it
> takes a while in comparison with most other apps it only generally
> takes 'a few minutes' in most cases (and I've probably removed at
> least tens of times).
I used the built in Windows uninstaller - something that's (mostly)
unecessary on the Mac OS.
> No wonder you prefer Macs if this really is your perception of PCs ..
> ;-(
Yes, and it has been for years.
> All the best ..
And to you,
A.
--
Andy Hewitt
<http://web.mac.com/andrewhewitt1/>
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