On Sat, 17 May 2008 16:27:38 +0100, wildrover.andy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Andy Hewitt) wrote:
<snippage>
>> Understood, but if anything I understand Apple have reduced the price
>> differential over that period?
>
>That could be. By all accounts, high end PCs, and laptops are still as
>much, or more, than the equivalent Mac.
Oh. Luckily I can't afford 'high end' so it doesn't affect me. ;-)
> If you want *real* performance,
>you have to pay for it. It's all relative anyway.
Yeah, the quad core, box I made for my mate recently cost him ~£600.
>
>[..]
>> >Indeed, so already be have a comparison that doesn't match, as I said,
>> >'as near as possible'.
>>
>> Eh, that wasn't intended to 'match exactly' <waves, it's *me* Andy!>,
>> it was just some general questions / observations. And you started it
>> by bringing PC's into the conversation!
>
><waves> yes, but I made it clear I was talking about *equivalent*
>hardware.
Good and I changed the subject a bit .. ;-)
>
>> I was asking in the last bit what you mean by 'build quality' and I
>> don't think you have answered that bit yet? I wouldn't add any value
>> to Apples 'build quality' because I believe I can achieve the same
>> (functional) standard without paying the Apple premium?
>
>My own observations would suggest that isn't so. Just look at the build
>quality of a G5 case against a good ATX case for a start, there's no way
>an ATX box is ever made that well.
Well, not looking at many Apple boxes I really can't say but from
those I have seen or got I really can't see what they achieve over any
average (30 quid) PC case? What is their purpose after all, to house
... oh hold on .. it's also go to be pedantically and irreverently
'neat' inside and look 'pretty' .. <sigh>.
> For sure Apple has had the odd
>manufacture issue, the capacitors in the PSU for one, but similar
>failures in Dell machines are far more common, and at a much shorter
>service life.
What's this obsession with Dell Andy???? FWIW I have worked with
hundreds of Dells over the years but have only had one 'die' because
of capacitor issues (and with many of them Dell replaced them foc)?
>
>For sure, by careful selection of components I could make myself a very
>good quality computer,
No, by 'simple selection of components' ... I have bought some of the
very cheapest components I could find and can't think of even one of
them that has ever failed or been difficult to work with? With Jenny's
new PC (and pretty well all those I have built before) we loosely
choose the sort of components that were appropriate and typically
accepted what was actually delivered (stock levels / price etc).
> but I'd still have to run an OS that doesn't suit
>what I do,
<snip OT OS / App issues>
>
>And OK, some components are limited in availability, but this is because
>most are custom made to work with the Macs, the limited selection means
>it's much easier to supply reliable drivers.
Funny how you turn what most people would see as a negative into a
positive Andy. Ok, I can see how what you say could be 'good' but not
at the overall cost of being very very limited.
> Having a limited
>combination of possible configurations means it's easier to develop the
>OS to work with it, and less chance of conflicts occuring.
True, you are less likely to get into trouble wearing handcuffs ;-)
>
>I was working with a relatively new To****ba laptop a few days ago, a few
>months old, and it's Nortion trial period had expired. I went there to
>uninstall it and install AVG. It took the thing nearly an hour and a
>half just to uninstall the Norton stuff!
Ok, I'm not sure what that has to do with what we were talking about
as we all know Norton is bloatware and as much use to your PC as
putting an elephant on your roofrack of your car.
Maybe the(ir) mistake was actually running the trial version in the
first place? And how on earth did you uninstall it for it to take that
long, one file at a time!? Even though I agree with you in that it
takes a while in comparison with most other apps it only generally
takes 'a few minutes' in most cases (and I've probably removed at
least tens of times).
No wonder you prefer Macs if this really is your perception of PCs ..
;-(
All the best ..
T i m
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