On Oct 18, 2007, at 11:40 PM, Chris Devers wrote:
> On Oct 18, 2007, at 4:43 PM, jeremiah@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>
>> On Oct 18, 2007, at 8:56 PM, Chris Nandor wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure what you mean by
>>> losing things from upstream.
>>
>> Just that when I chose to compile software on my own, I lose all
>> the debian security work.
>>
>> They look over packages and re****t vulnerabilities, I can just
>> update with apt-get and get a new version - if I compile from
>> source then I have to follow security warnings for the software I
>> installed on my own. This is not a big deal if we are just talking
>> about two or three applications, but if you are sup****ting a
>> platform or a distribution, having the debian security do security
>> for thousands of packages becomes a service that money cannot buy.
>
> Sorry, I'm confused -- why not just use Debian then?
Yes.
>
> You're basically saying you want their custom build & distribution
> service, but that is (naturally, one might think) only available on
> their Linux distribution.
>
When you say 'their', who do you mean? If you mean debian, well yes.
Everyone who uses debian stable gets this custom build system, that
is the point of debian.
> Apple already maintains the core OS software, including bundled
> open source packages like Perl,
Apple maintains Apple's version of the so-called open source
software, but it does very little maintenance of community software
or perl in general. Can you point to Apple licensed software on CPAN
for example? I can point to lots of debian licensed software,
software built on (and sometimes for) debian that makes its way up to
the rest of the world. Why can't Apple do that?
> but if that isn't enough for you, and Debian is, then what exactly
> are you asking for?
I want 5.10 to work without hassle on OS X (Leopard).
I want my code to be run cross platform (I am talking CGI here -
still there are big differences between LAMP and {M,A}AMP)
I want the time and effort I invested in learning perl to be useful
for developing native applications on Mac OS X. (I am willing to
learn how to use CamelBones to accomplish this. Right now I think it
best I learn Objective-C.)
I am asking for easy to do stuff here, I am not asking for Apple to
fix that fact that MySQL runs more slowly on Apple hardware because
Apple uses the *BSD threading model when MySQL is built on the Linux
threading model and therefor is significantly faster on linux.[0] I
am not asking Apple to optimize their software to run faster on Core
Duo than linux. I am not asking Apple to Open source Aqua. I am just
asking for a reasonable, up-to-date, development environment so that
I do not have to shell into a linux server to do the job I need to do.
Jeremiah
[0] http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/000203.html
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