On May 9, 2007, at 6:38 AM, Jeremiah Foster wrote:
> Sorry to have taken this off-list Sherm, it was an accident.
No worries. I figured you didn't want to talk about your blog before
it was actually posted; some publishers have funny rules about stuff
like that.
> Can I reply
> on the list or should we continue off-list?
Yes, of course. In fact, I've added the list back myself. :-)
> Mostly I just want to say
> I have an interest in your projects, specifically the Apache, mod_perl
> and CB stuff since that is where I do my developing.
If you're interested in mod_perl, have a look at CatKit - it's a PAR
bundle of Catalyst, its prerequisites, and a bunch of plugins. You'll
also need the DBIKit (for DBD::* & DBIx::Class) and DevKit for
Catalyst apps.
You could package a stripped-down httpd.conf file as a resource in
an .app bundle, launch an instance of Apache on a high ****t, and
distribute an entirely self-contained Catalyst app. Well, self-
contained except for the database server at least, unless it uses
DBD::SQLite. You could connect menu and other GUI items to the
Catalyst app using LWP, you could use WebKit to connect to it, or both.
One potential drawback to building apps like this is that it helps
reinforce the idea of Perl as a "web tool." In terms of advocating
Perl as a GUI platform, that may not be a Good Thing (tm).
It'll certainly give FileMaker some competition though...
sherm--
> Tue, May 08, 2007 at 04:53:51PM -0400: Sherm Pendley mangled some
> bits into this alignment:
>> On May 7, 2007, at 8:49 AM, Jeremiah Foster wrote:
>>
>>> Sun, May 06, 2007 at 05:07:46PM -0400: Sherm Pendley mangled some
>>> bits into this alignment:
>>>> On May 6, 2007, at 3:25 PM, Alex Robinson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I wish even more that Apple had picked you up and made
>>>>> CamelBones a
>>>>> first class citizen.
>>>>
>>>> Good news: That may still happen.
>>>
>>> Good news indeed.
>>>
>>> Before I go any further I ought to introduce myself since I am
>>> new to
>>> the list. My name is Jeremiah Foster and I'm a perl hacker and OS X
>>> softie - perfect for this list eh? =)
>>
>> Your name sounds familiar. Have we met?
>>
>>>>> So, why has Apple ignored CamelBones?
>>>>
>>>> What all this means is, first-class scripting sup****t is actually
>>>> language-neutral, and even though Leopard will be the first OS
>>>> version to include it, nothing about it will require Leopard. At
>>>> the
>>>> edges, specific sup****t for RubyCocoa and PyObjC basically means
>>>> that
>>>> their frameworks and project templates are included with Leopard.
>>>>
>>>>> Why did the OS X loving bit of the perl community sit by and let
>>>>> PyObjC become the default bridge.
>>>>
>>>> I blame the CamelBones management - i.e. myself.
>>>
>>> Great to see such candor from a developer, it is commendable.
>>>
>>> I blog and write a bit on O'Reilly's web site
>>
>> Aha! MacDevCenter. That's where I've seen your name before. :-)
>>
>>> , maybe I can work
>>> out a blog posting about CamelBones? Hopefully that would add
>>> traffic/users/donations which would be a good thing. Let me know
>>> if you are interested sherm.
>>
>> Sure - that would be most excellent. Let me know if I can be of any
>> help!
>>
>>> in other ways I would love to. Perhaps you can post a wish list to
>>> this mailing list so that those who can hack, provide bandwidth,
>>> etc. can contribute if that is useful to you.
>>
>> One thing I plan to do soon is set up an "annotated" site with user
>> comments on each page, and a CMS system so I can distribute the work
>> of writing a Cocoa reference to as many volunteers as I can find.
>> That will be a big op****tunity for anyone who wants to help out, but
>> doesn't have the skills and/or desire to dive "under the hood."
>>
>> Why a CMS instead of an open Wiki? Because Apple has lawyers, and
>> they're not afraid to use them. An open Wiki would virtually
>> guarantee that someone would, sooner or later, copy-and-paste Apple's
>> copyrighted docs.
>>
>> Also, because the docs site itself will serve as a "dog food"
>> example. The latest CamelBones includes PAR packages of Catalyst, its
>> prerequisites, and a fistful of plugins. I've been thinking of using
>> CB to build a set of GUI dev tools for Catalyst, using OSX's built-in
>> Apache & mod_perl.
>>
>> sherm--
>>
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