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Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac

by Ben Artin <macdev@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Nov 8, 2007 at 11:39 AM

In article <1194537879.688818@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
 Michael Ash <mike@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> In comp.sys.mac.programmer.help Ben Artin <macdev@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > Given a language feature that is semantically equivalent in two
languages 
> > (such as exceptions), not being able to use that feature across the
two 
> > languages has nothing to do with proper separation and everything to
do 
> > with running into a limitation of the language bridge and sucking it
up.
> 
> You could replace "exceptions" with "objects" in the above and still
have an 
> accurate statement.
> 
> Of course this isn't really a defense of ObjC++, more like a proof that
it 
> *must* suck, no matter how it's done.

Well, yes and no. 

This line of reasoning ultimately leads you to realize that what you
really need 
is a common language runtime with well-defined semantics, and then you
need all 
the languages that you care about to work on top of that runtime. This is
what 
Microsoft did with CLR, and this is increasingly the direction that Apple
is 
going in by bridging the Obj-C runtime to Python, Perl, Ruby, etc.

Then you realize that C++ can't work on top of any sane runtime, at which
point, 
if you are Microsoft, you invent a modified version of C++ that can or, if
you 
are me, you realize that you are better off using a language (such as
Python) 
that works on top of a sane runtime.

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 55 Posts in Topic:
Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
"Chris Shearer Coope  2007-10-11 15:00:31 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Reinder Verlinde <rein  2007-10-12 00:22:16 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Jeffrey Dutky <jeff.du  2007-10-11 22:22:34 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
mlabs <aaron.miramar.l  2007-10-12 07:10:19 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Simon Slavin <slavins.  2007-10-13 20:43:42 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
"Armel Asselin"  2007-10-22 11:03:19 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Doc O'Leary <droleary.  2007-10-22 06:52:59 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
"Armel Asselin"  2007-10-22 14:35:48 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2007-10-22 11:41:19 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Gregory Weston <uce@[E  2007-10-22 09:48:49 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Paul Floyd <root@[EMAI  2007-10-22 18:10:17 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Gregory Weston <uce@[E  2007-10-22 17:55:26 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2007-10-22 17:25:53 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Paul Floyd <root@[EMAI  2007-10-23 07:26:23 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Doc O'Leary <droleary.  2007-10-23 06:16:18 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Gabriele Greco <gabrie  2007-10-23 13:26:35 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Sherman Pendley <spamt  2007-10-23 11:00:44 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Gregory Weston <uce@[E  2007-10-23 09:26:15 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Paul Floyd <root@[EMAI  2007-10-24 20:41:13 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Tom Harrington <tph@[E  2007-10-24 15:33:16 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Paul Floyd <root@[EMAI  2007-10-24 22:17:12 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2007-10-24 18:52:35 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Gregory Weston <uce@[E  2007-10-25 10:48:42 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Paul Floyd <root@[EMAI  2007-10-25 21:18:27 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Gregory Weston <uce@[E  2007-10-26 11:44:06 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Ben Artin <macdev@[EMA  2007-10-26 23:21:16 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Gregory Weston <uce@[E  2007-10-27 06:52:40 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2007-10-23 10:47:18 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Paul Floyd <root@[EMAI  2007-10-24 22:08:24 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Tom Harrington <tph@[E  2007-10-23 10:00:07 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Simon Slavin <slavins.  2007-10-25 20:19:27 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2007-10-25 17:48:44 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Steven Fisher <steve@[  2007-10-23 21:32:00 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2007-10-23 21:40:56 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Paul Floyd <root@[EMAI  2007-10-24 20:56:43 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Ben Artin <macdev@[EMA  2007-10-25 16:29:53 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2007-10-25 17:52:58 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Gabriele Greco <gabrie  2007-10-26 11:18:20 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
glenn andreas <gandrea  2007-10-26 08:52:11 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2007-10-26 10:01:16 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Ben Artin <macdev@[EMA  2007-10-26 23:10:42 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Chris Hanson <cmh@[EMA  2007-10-27 02:00:33 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Ben Artin <macdev@[EMA  2007-11-08 01:33:48 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2007-11-08 10:04:40 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Ben Artin <macdev@[EMA  2007-11-08 11:39:25 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2007-11-08 11:17:18 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Ben Artin <macdev@[EMA  2007-11-08 13:35:24 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2007-11-08 21:42:39 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
glenn andreas <gandrea  2007-11-08 10:05:23 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Ben Artin <macdev@[EMA  2007-11-08 11:42:46 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Steven Fisher <steve@[  2007-10-26 07:40:08 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Steven Fisher <steve@[  2007-10-26 07:43:35 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Michael Ash <mike@[EMA  2007-10-26 10:12:27 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Steven Fisher <sdfishe  2007-10-27 06:02:07 
Re: Cross-Platform Windows plus Mac
Chris Hanson <cmh@[EMA  2007-10-27 02:09:34 

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