ZnU wrote:
> In article <0001HW.C45505AE002ACA74F01846D8@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> George Graves <gmgraves2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 17 May 2008 16:13:47 -0700, ZnU wrote
>> (in article <znu-4A3A0F.19134617052008@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
>>
>>> In article <0001HW.C45490B4000F5F98F01846D8@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>>> George Graves <gmgraves2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 17 May 2008 12:29:52 -0700, ZnU wrote
>>>> (in article <znu-854F55.15295117052008@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
>>>>
>>>>> In article <seektruth-D142D4.13584717052008@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>>>>> seektruth <seektruth@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Who is Phi Shlama Islama Obama anyway?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-mccain17-2008may17,0,4987662.s
>>>>>> tory
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From an article in the LA Times -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obama said he disagreed with the NRA. "Their basic position is that
any
>>>>>> law related to gun owner****p is a potential camel's nose under the
tent
>>>>>> and that if we allow even the smallest concession that somehow guns
will
>>>>>> be taken away from everybody.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "If you subscribe to that view then you are not going to agree with
me.
>>>>>> On the other hand, if you are a gun owner here in South Dakota who
uses
>>>>>> your gun to hunt or to protect your family and does so in a lawful
way,
>>>>>> then you have nothing to worry about from me."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A "potential camel's nose under the tent?" This is definitely not
an
>>>>>> American or European expression. Where would this phrase be one
found
>>>>>> as an idiom or colloquialism of local origin? Mainly Africa & the
>>>>>> Middle East - where camels are found in great number and where
Islam is
>>>>>> the dominant religion.
>>>>> Obama lived in Indonesia between the ages of about six and ten.
>>>>> Indonesia is majority Muslim, but isn't actually part of the Middle
>>>>> East, isn't Arab, and doesn't have camels.
>>>>>
>>>>> For three of the four years Obama was in Indonesia, he attended a
>>>>> Catholic school. The fourth year his family moved, and he attended a
>>>>> local government-run public school. There's no reason to believe
Obama
>>>>> ever learned Arabic, as his cl***** would have been in Bahasa, the
>>>>> official (and most widely spoken) language in Indonesia.
>>>>>
>>>>> A bit of research shows this phrase you're discussing entered the
>>>>> English language in the 19th century. A Google search shows it being
>>>>> fairly widely used, by people with no connection to the Middle East
or
>>>>> Africa. There are even a couple of instances of Republican lawmakers
>>>>> using it.
>>>>>
>>>>> You people should be ashamed of yourselves.
>>>>>
>>>> So you can prove that Obama is NOT a "closet Muslim"?
>>> He attended a Christian church for a couple of decades. In other
words,
>>> there's more evidence he's not a Muslim than there is that you or I,
as
>>> non churchgoers, aren't Muslims.
>>>
>>>> While I don't believe that he is a Muslim anything, this man sends up
>>>> so many red flags that it's frightening.
>>> Such as?
>> His comments about not being proud to be an American, his wife's
comments,
>
> What his wife actually said was:
>
> "For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country, because
> it feels like hope is making a comeback."
>
> There's an im****tant distinction between being proud of being an
> American, and being proud of America. Frankly... are *you* proud of this
> country, these days? We're fighting unnecessary (and unsuccessful) wars
> of aggression, our economy is falling apart, we've got more people
> without health care every year, we can't get out act together on
> environmental issues or energy policy, our public education system is a
> mess....
>
> What has the United States done lately that should make people proud of
> it?
>
>> his unfortunate association with the Rev. Wright,
>
> Wright has some funny ideas, but he also has a record of service to his
> country, and is actually fairly widely respected for what he has done
> with his church.
>
> Contrast with John Hagee, the preacher whose endorsement McCain
> *actively sought*, despite Hagee being rabidly anti-Catholic (find the
> clips on You Tube; "rabid" is precisely the right word for it), and
> blaming Hurricane Katrina on gay people.
>
>> his extreme leftist leanings. All of these are red flags to me.
>
> Precisely what "extreme left" positions has Obama advocated? His opt-in
> government health system, basically the same system Mitt Romney
> implemented in Massachusetts? Maybe his belief that the United States
> should try diplomacy with Iran, a policy advocated by Bush's own
> Secretary of Defense?
>
>>>> Of the three candidates running as of now, the only one that I could
>>>> possibly vote for is The Clinton ***** (Marcus Registrada). She is
>>>> actually the lesser of the three evils, even though I hate her guts.
>>>> At least she'd have Billy's experience to draw upon. He's been there
>>>> and done that. Plus, there's all the op****tunities for high humor
>>>> that we, as a nation, could enjoy while watching Billy's continued
>>>> highjinks. We'd miss all of that if Obama were elected. But
>>>> seriously, we need a strong leader to bring this country together,
>>>> not one who will further polarize it and Obama is so left-wing and is
>>>> carrying so much baggage that he is definitely NOT that leader.
>>> Obama is slightly more moderate than Clinton on most issues, and has
>>> considerably less baggage than either Clinton or McCain.
>> I disagree. I think he has lots of baggage, the wrong kind. If this
country
>> is dumb enough to elect him, we're in for a very rough four years
unless of
>> course he gets assassinated which is a high probability. There are
people in
>> this country vehemently opposed to either a woman or a black president,
and
>> there are likely to be assassination attempts on either of them who
gets
>> elected. That's just common sense. McCain's baggage is simple. He's too
close
>> to Bush. Nobody wants another Bush or even someone who resembles Bush
or is
>> even remotely associated with him.
>
> He's too close to Bush with respect to some extremely unpopular
> policies. He has been involved in quite a number of shady deals. His
> wife refuses to disclose her tax returns, while donating millions of
> dollars worth of free flights on her cor****ate jet to his campaign (via
> a loophole in a bill McCain himself was involved with). He has actively
> sought the endorsement of some rather extreme people. He has flipped
> positions on a fairly large number of issues. He hasn't released his
> health records, after initially claiming he would, which is particularly
> working because he's had skin cancer in the past (a form that usually
> comes back), and has already outlived both his father and grandfather.
>
> The guilt-by-association nonsense people try to pull on Obama is nothing
> in comparison.
>
So it's a bad thing to accuse Obama of being a closet Muslim, but you
can freely and openly suggest that McCain's spouse is a criminal?
Hypocrite much?
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