"ZnU" <znu@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> stated in post
znu-301988.01395418052008@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on 5/17/08 10:39 PM:
....
>>> Such as?
>>
>> His comments about not being proud to be an American, his wife's
comments,
>
> What his wife actually said was:
>
> "For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country, because
> it feels like hope is making a comeback."
>
> There's an im****tant distinction between being proud of being an
> American, and being proud of America. Frankly... are *you* proud of this
> country, these days? We're fighting unnecessary (and unsuccessful) wars
> of aggression, our economy is falling apart, we've got more people
> without health care every year, we can't get out act together on
> environmental issues or energy policy, our public education system is a
> mess....
One of the things that makes America great is that we can freely talk
about
these things. We can say, for example, that the war our government is
engaged in is immoral and illegal - as citizens of a free nation we have
the
right and even, perhaps, the obligation to form educated opinions on such
things and to speak freely about them. Sadly there are some in the US who
will say we are acting improperly to state Bush is a law breaker and to
state our disagreement with his policies. Perhaps such people should live
under a dictator such as Saddam for a while (well, a living one might make
the point better!)
> What has the United States done lately that should make people proud of
> it?
The fact that we have a white woman and a black man as top candidates for
one of the two major parties is a pretty good sign. Sure, there is still
bigotry in the US and people want to keep women doing "women's work" and
blacks from any form of power, but clearly there are enough people who
*disagree* with that to make it a possibility. With that said: voting
*for*
someone simply because they are black or female makes no sense either -
vote
for the best person for the job!
>> his unfortunate association with the Rev. Wright,
>
> Wright has some funny ideas, but he also has a record of service to his
> country, and is actually fairly widely respected for what he has done
> with his church.
>
> Contrast with John Hagee, the preacher whose endorsement McCain
> *actively sought*, despite Hagee being rabidly anti-Catholic (find the
> clips on You Tube; "rabid" is precisely the right word for it), and
> blaming Hurricane Katrina on gay people.
And in both cases I would say these are non-issues. The fact that Wright
has been turned into an issue is absurd.
>> his extreme leftist leanings. All of these are red flags to me.
>
> Precisely what "extreme left" positions has Obama advocated? His opt-in
> government health system, basically the same system Mitt Romney
> implemented in Massachusetts? Maybe his belief that the United States
> should try diplomacy with Iran, a policy advocated by Bush's own
> Secretary of Defense?
And the darned leftist wants to expand the marines and air force...
>>>> Of the three candidates running as of now, the only one that I could
>>>> possibly vote for is The Clinton ***** (Marcus Registrada). She is
>>>> actually the lesser of the three evils, even though I hate her guts.
>>>> At least she'd have Billy's experience to draw upon. He's been there
>>>> and done that. Plus, there's all the op****tunities for high humor
>>>> that we, as a nation, could enjoy while watching Billy's continued
>>>> highjinks. We'd miss all of that if Obama were elected. But
>>>> seriously, we need a strong leader to bring this country together,
>>>> not one who will further polarize it and Obama is so left-wing and is
>>>> carrying so much baggage that he is definitely NOT that leader.
>>>
>>> Obama is slightly more moderate than Clinton on most issues, and has
>>> considerably less baggage than either Clinton or McCain.
>>
>> I disagree. I think he has lots of baggage, the wrong kind. If this
country
>> is dumb enough to elect him, we're in for a very rough four years
unless of
>> course he gets assassinated which is a high probability. There are
people in
>> this country vehemently opposed to either a woman or a black president,
and
>> there are likely to be assassination attempts on either of them who
gets
>> elected. That's just common sense. McCain's baggage is simple. He's too
close
>> to Bush. Nobody wants another Bush or even someone who resembles Bush
or is
>> even remotely associated with him.
>
> He's too close to Bush with respect to some extremely unpopular
> policies.
He is working hard to distance himself from Bush... look at his recent
comments about the environment.
> He has been involved in quite a number of shady deals. His
> wife refuses to disclose her tax returns, while donating millions of
> dollars worth of free flights on her cor****ate jet to his campaign (via
> a loophole in a bill McCain himself was involved with). He has actively
> sought the endorsement of some rather extreme people. He has flipped
> positions on a fairly large number of issues.
The media had a field day with this in regards to "waffling" Kerry
> He hasn't released his
> health records, after initially claiming he would, which is particularly
> working because he's had skin cancer in the past (a form that usually
> comes back), and has already outlived both his father and grandfather.
>
> The guilt-by-association nonsense people try to pull on Obama is nothing
> in comparison.
Well Obama lied about not wanting to be president... he had a grade school
paper that said he did! LOL!
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