In article <0001HW.C45505AE002ACA74F01846D8@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
George Graves <gmgraves2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 May 2008 16:13:47 -0700, ZnU wrote
> (in article <znu-4A3A0F.19134617052008@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
>
> > In article <0001HW.C45490B4000F5F98F01846D8@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> > George Graves <gmgraves2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 17 May 2008 12:29:52 -0700, ZnU wrote
> >> (in article <znu-854F55.15295117052008@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
> >>
> >>> In article <seektruth-D142D4.13584717052008@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> >>> seektruth <seektruth@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Who is Phi Shlama Islama Obama anyway?
> >>>>
> >>>>
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-mccain17-2008may17,0,4987662.s
> >>>> tory
> >>>>
> >>>> From an article in the LA Times -
> >>>>
> >>>> Obama said he disagreed with the NRA. "Their basic position is that
any
> >>>> law related to gun owner****p is a potential camel's nose under the
tent
> >>>> and that if we allow even the smallest concession that somehow guns
will
> >>>> be taken away from everybody.
> >>>>
> >>>> "If you subscribe to that view then you are not going to agree with
me.
> >>>> On the other hand, if you are a gun owner here in South Dakota who
uses
> >>>> your gun to hunt or to protect your family and does so in a lawful
way,
> >>>> then you have nothing to worry about from me."
> >>>>
> >>>> A "potential camel's nose under the tent?" This is definitely not
an
> >>>> American or European expression. Where would this phrase be one
found
> >>>> as an idiom or colloquialism of local origin? Mainly Africa & the
> >>>> Middle East - where camels are found in great number and where
Islam is
> >>>> the dominant religion.
> >>>
> >>> Obama lived in Indonesia between the ages of about six and ten.
> >>> Indonesia is majority Muslim, but isn't actually part of the Middle
> >>> East, isn't Arab, and doesn't have camels.
> >>>
> >>> For three of the four years Obama was in Indonesia, he attended a
> >>> Catholic school. The fourth year his family moved, and he attended a
> >>> local government-run public school. There's no reason to believe
Obama
> >>> ever learned Arabic, as his cl***** would have been in Bahasa, the
> >>> official (and most widely spoken) language in Indonesia.
> >>>
> >>> A bit of research shows this phrase you're discussing entered the
> >>> English language in the 19th century. A Google search shows it being
> >>> fairly widely used, by people with no connection to the Middle East
or
> >>> Africa. There are even a couple of instances of Republican lawmakers
> >>> using it.
> >>>
> >>> You people should be ashamed of yourselves.
> >>>
> >>
> >> So you can prove that Obama is NOT a "closet Muslim"?
> >
> > He attended a Christian church for a couple of decades. In other
words,
> > there's more evidence he's not a Muslim than there is that you or I,
as
> > non churchgoers, aren't Muslims.
> >
> >> While I don't believe that he is a Muslim anything, this man sends up
> >> so many red flags that it's frightening.
> >
> > Such as?
>
> His comments about not being proud to be an American, his wife's
comments,
What his wife actually said was:
"For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country, because
it feels like hope is making a comeback."
There's an im****tant distinction between being proud of being an
American, and being proud of America. Frankly... are *you* proud of this
country, these days? We're fighting unnecessary (and unsuccessful) wars
of aggression, our economy is falling apart, we've got more people
without health care every year, we can't get out act together on
environmental issues or energy policy, our public education system is a
mess....
What has the United States done lately that should make people proud of
it?
> his unfortunate association with the Rev. Wright,
Wright has some funny ideas, but he also has a record of service to his
country, and is actually fairly widely respected for what he has done
with his church.
Contrast with John Hagee, the preacher whose endorsement McCain
*actively sought*, despite Hagee being rabidly anti-Catholic (find the
clips on You Tube; "rabid" is precisely the right word for it), and
blaming Hurricane Katrina on gay people.
> his extreme leftist leanings. All of these are red flags to me.
Precisely what "extreme left" positions has Obama advocated? His opt-in
government health system, basically the same system Mitt Romney
implemented in Massachusetts? Maybe his belief that the United States
should try diplomacy with Iran, a policy advocated by Bush's own
Secretary of Defense?
> >> Of the three candidates running as of now, the only one that I could
> >> possibly vote for is The Clinton ***** (Marcus Registrada). She is
> >> actually the lesser of the three evils, even though I hate her guts.
> >> At least she'd have Billy's experience to draw upon. He's been there
> >> and done that. Plus, there's all the op****tunities for high humor
> >> that we, as a nation, could enjoy while watching Billy's continued
> >> highjinks. We'd miss all of that if Obama were elected. But
> >> seriously, we need a strong leader to bring this country together,
> >> not one who will further polarize it and Obama is so left-wing and is
> >> carrying so much baggage that he is definitely NOT that leader.
> >
> > Obama is slightly more moderate than Clinton on most issues, and has
> > considerably less baggage than either Clinton or McCain.
>
> I disagree. I think he has lots of baggage, the wrong kind. If this
country
> is dumb enough to elect him, we're in for a very rough four years unless
of
> course he gets assassinated which is a high probability. There are
people in
> this country vehemently opposed to either a woman or a black president,
and
> there are likely to be assassination attempts on either of them who gets
> elected. That's just common sense. McCain's baggage is simple. He's too
close
> to Bush. Nobody wants another Bush or even someone who resembles Bush or
is
> even remotely associated with him.
He's too close to Bush with respect to some extremely unpopular
policies. He has been involved in quite a number of shady deals. His
wife refuses to disclose her tax returns, while donating millions of
dollars worth of free flights on her cor****ate jet to his campaign (via
a loophole in a bill McCain himself was involved with). He has actively
sought the endorsement of some rather extreme people. He has flipped
positions on a fairly large number of issues. He hasn't released his
health records, after initially claiming he would, which is particularly
working because he's had skin cancer in the past (a form that usually
comes back), and has already outlived both his father and grandfather.
The guilt-by-association nonsense people try to pull on Obama is nothing
in comparison.
--
"More than two decades later, it is hard to imagine the Revolutionary War
coming
out any other way."
--George W. Bush in Martinsburg, W. Va., July 4,
2007
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