On Sat, 17 May 2008 02:04:54 GMT, Canuck57 wrote:
> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:56q39xy88r5v$.1cwir0q2xowyb.dlg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 22:36:21 GMT, Canuck57 wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Yep, it is about the commotization of the OS.
>>
>> I'm talking average desktop users most of whom don't know one OS from
>> another.
>> IOW to them a Mac is a "machine".
>> It's just a *different* machine.
>>
>> Linux to these people is either an unknown or some geeky thing with no
>> GUI.
>>
>>
>>>> But it hasn't and there is no indication that it ever will.
>>>
>>> It will take time. Took Microsoft 10 years to remove mainframe
terminals
>>> and Novell. But also remember, what goes around, comes around. Just
>>> takes
>>> time.
>>
>> Linux has lived through the Mac releasing bomb machines that didn't
sell.
>> Apple getting into serious troubles because Windows was/is trouncing
it.
>> Lost market share of schools by Apple.
>> Microsoft releasing BOB and Windows ME and now Vista.
>>
>> All three of which were/are bombs IMHO.
>>
>> Linux has had and still has op****tunity but people just don't seem to
be
>> biting.
>> The dissatisfied Windows users are now considering the Mac and ignoring
>> Linux.
>>
>>
>>> For example, say Apple increases market share just 20% a year. Say
they
>>> have 5% now. Say Linux is similar. In less than 13 years Microsofts
>>> share
>>> will dimish to zero. While Linux and Apple are not that big, they are
>>> growing and eating slowly now, and will feed in bigger chunks of
>>> Microsoft
>>> as time goes by.
>>
>> But Mac is increasing it's market share mostly due to a new audience
that
>> is discovering the Apple way via their other devices like iPhone/iPod
etc.
>>
>> Linux is stagnant on the desktop at well less than 1 percent and has
been
>> for years.
>>
>>
>>> Apple knows this story, Apple II and Apple IIe were previously at the
top
>>> of
>>> the heap before Microsoft.
>>
>> Correct. See above.
>>
>> The difference is Apple recovered, although I'm not really sure they
>> planned on getting new users to their Macs via the iPhone etc.
>> That's what is happening however, coupled with a **** product from
>> Microsoft called Vista.
>>
>>
>>> Say Win7 flops. A Microsoft worst case scenario. It will accelerate.
>>> Or
>>> if Microsoft gets greedy, ups the prices whuch often happens in a
>>> failing
>>> business model.
>>
>> They can't go any higher because the market is barely going along with
the
>> current pricing.
>>
>>
>>>> If Linux can't capitalize on Vista then there is no hope for Linux.
>>>
>>> It is. Lets say you like Vista, you go out and buy it. Why not load
>>> Linux
>>> on the 3 year old PC and check it out?
>>
>> Because these same people already have Windows XP on those machines and
a
>> ton of data and programs to go along with it.
>>
>>
>>> If you hate Vista, drop in Linux, a
>>> no charge trial and no charge if you want to keep it. Sure beats
going
>>> out
>>> and buying Ultimate at $500+ for a full retail version to find out it
>>> solves
>>> nothing.
>>
>> Sounds good in theory but it's just not happening that way.
>> People are blowing $2000.00 on a Mac in stead.
>> Why?
>> I'm not really sure, but I suspect it's the multimedia interfacing with
>> iPhones etc and the fact that they are pissed at Microsoft.
>>
>> One thing is certain, they are not flocking to free Linux.
>>
>>
>>> BTW, another achilles heal. Microsoft Windows products, especially
the
>>> likes of Vista do not integrate well in a mixed server environment
>>> outside
>>> of HTTP.
>>
>> Doesn't matter for a home user.
>> At work, chances are the person is using Windows there as well and if
>> servers are involved in a mixed environment, it is all transparent to
>> Susie
>> the secretary because some geek set it up like that.
>>
>>> Linux integrates nicely. A business driver. Also useful if your
older
>>> systems are all UNIX based. NFS mounts so much easier to other xNIXs
it
>>> is
>>> nice. Vista isn't compatible or as stable with much.
>>
>> Until you have to interact with the outside world and all the Windows
>> applications a small business is likely to encounter.
>> Just MSOffice is a start.
>
> Open Office reads every do***ent MS-Orifice, oops, MS-Office can
produce.
> Being using Open Office for 2 1/2 years solid, no issues. That has to
rip
> into M$ profits. Having people product the same quality do***ents in OO
as
> MS-O. And do so without the surcharge of $300+.
>
> My last client didn't even notice, producing DOCs and PDFs.
>
> LOL. Let the MS fan boys pay big bucks for MS-Office.
>
> I always thought the M$ price for it was extortion in the age of
commodity
> software. Especially when in places like Asia it sells for 1/10 the
cost.
> But OO is free as in beer.
Maybe it does.
Maybe it does not.
The facts show that Open Office is on life sup****t, much like Linux.
IOW virtually nobody is using it on the desktop.
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
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