"Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 16 May 2008 22:36:21 GMT, Canuck57 wrote:
>
>
>> Yep, it is about the commotization of the OS.
>
> I'm talking average desktop users most of whom don't know one OS from
> another.
> IOW to them a Mac is a "machine".
> It's just a *different* machine.
>
> Linux to these people is either an unknown or some geeky thing with no
> GUI.
>
>
>>> But it hasn't and there is no indication that it ever will.
>>
>> It will take time. Took Microsoft 10 years to remove mainframe
terminals
>> and Novell. But also remember, what goes around, comes around. Just
>> takes
>> time.
>
> Linux has lived through the Mac releasing bomb machines that didn't
sell.
> Apple getting into serious troubles because Windows was/is trouncing it.
> Lost market share of schools by Apple.
> Microsoft releasing BOB and Windows ME and now Vista.
>
> All three of which were/are bombs IMHO.
>
> Linux has had and still has op****tunity but people just don't seem to be
> biting.
> The dissatisfied Windows users are now considering the Mac and ignoring
> Linux.
>
>
>> For example, say Apple increases market share just 20% a year. Say
they
>> have 5% now. Say Linux is similar. In less than 13 years Microsofts
>> share
>> will dimish to zero. While Linux and Apple are not that big, they are
>> growing and eating slowly now, and will feed in bigger chunks of
>> Microsoft
>> as time goes by.
>
> But Mac is increasing it's market share mostly due to a new audience
that
> is discovering the Apple way via their other devices like iPhone/iPod
etc.
>
> Linux is stagnant on the desktop at well less than 1 percent and has
been
> for years.
>
>
>> Apple knows this story, Apple II and Apple IIe were previously at the
top
>> of
>> the heap before Microsoft.
>
> Correct. See above.
>
> The difference is Apple recovered, although I'm not really sure they
> planned on getting new users to their Macs via the iPhone etc.
> That's what is happening however, coupled with a **** product from
> Microsoft called Vista.
>
>
>> Say Win7 flops. A Microsoft worst case scenario. It will accelerate.
>> Or
>> if Microsoft gets greedy, ups the prices whuch often happens in a
>> failing
>> business model.
>
> They can't go any higher because the market is barely going along with
the
> current pricing.
>
>
>>> If Linux can't capitalize on Vista then there is no hope for Linux.
>>
>> It is. Lets say you like Vista, you go out and buy it. Why not load
>> Linux
>> on the 3 year old PC and check it out?
>
> Because these same people already have Windows XP on those machines and
a
> ton of data and programs to go along with it.
>
>
>> If you hate Vista, drop in Linux, a
>> no charge trial and no charge if you want to keep it. Sure beats going
>> out
>> and buying Ultimate at $500+ for a full retail version to find out it
>> solves
>> nothing.
>
> Sounds good in theory but it's just not happening that way.
> People are blowing $2000.00 on a Mac in stead.
> Why?
> I'm not really sure, but I suspect it's the multimedia interfacing with
> iPhones etc and the fact that they are pissed at Microsoft.
>
> One thing is certain, they are not flocking to free Linux.
>
>
>> BTW, another achilles heal. Microsoft Windows products, especially the
>> likes of Vista do not integrate well in a mixed server environment
>> outside
>> of HTTP.
>
> Doesn't matter for a home user.
> At work, chances are the person is using Windows there as well and if
> servers are involved in a mixed environment, it is all transparent to
> Susie
> the secretary because some geek set it up like that.
>
>> Linux integrates nicely. A business driver. Also useful if your older
>> systems are all UNIX based. NFS mounts so much easier to other xNIXs
it
>> is
>> nice. Vista isn't compatible or as stable with much.
>
> Until you have to interact with the outside world and all the Windows
> applications a small business is likely to encounter.
> Just MSOffice is a start.
Open Office reads every do***ent MS-Orifice, oops, MS-Office can produce.
Being using Open Office for 2 1/2 years solid, no issues. That has to rip
into M$ profits. Having people product the same quality do***ents in OO
as
MS-O. And do so without the surcharge of $300+.
My last client didn't even notice, producing DOCs and PDFs.
LOL. Let the MS fan boys pay big bucks for MS-Office.
I always thought the M$ price for it was extortion in the age of commodity
software. Especially when in places like Asia it sells for 1/10 the cost.
But OO is free as in beer.
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