"Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 16 May 2008 14:19:33 -0700, George Graves wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:54:03 -0700, Moshe Goldfarb wrote
>> (in article <1r54qjzhdzo5w$.4kjm9awmygh2.dlg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
>>
>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 18:47:28 GMT, Canuck57 wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>> news:1aim6cnnfxba7$.xbad57tltpnb$.dlg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:46:15 -0500, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2008-05-16, Ezekiel <a@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/05/15/line-for-boston-apple-store-stretche
>>>>>>> s-four-city-blocks/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <quote>
>>>>>>> Oh, hello there. I'm patiently waiting for the new Boylston Street
>>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>>> Store to open here in Boston. Did I need to show up four hours
>>>>>>> early?
>>>>>>> Probably not, but I just can't resist sitting in an outdoor food
>>>>>>> court
>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>> pigeons buzz within inches of my fragile body. Seems nobody told
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> the food chain and how humans are atop said food chain. Anyhoo,
you
>>>>>>> might be
>>>>>>> interested to know that the line for the grand opening of the
Apple
>>>>>>> Store
>>>>>>> stretches a country mile! Four city blocks to be precise.
>>>>>>> </quote>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...while you are too busy taking a swipe a Linux over this you are
>>>>>> interestingly enough ignoring the fact that this sort of thing
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> happen over Microsoft products anymore. The sort of excitement that
>>>>>> a new Microsoft product launch used to generate is now being
>>>>>> generated
>>>>>> by Apple instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pretty much true as Vista is turning out to be less than exciting.
>>>>>
>>>>>> ...not such a bad thing overall.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [deletia]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux loses nothing if Apple does well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure it does.
>>>>> Why aren't all those people jumping ****p to Apple going to Linux
>>>>> instead?
>>>>> Linux is free.
>>>>> Apple is not.
>>>>>
>>>>> THAT is the question which needs to be answered.
>>>>>
>>>>> When you have a free product, Linux, and a potential pool of unhappy
>>>>> customers (Vista users), why are these customers ready, willing and
>>>>> able
>>>>> to
>>>>> pay big money for Apple vs migrating to Linux for free?
>>>>>
>>>>> IOW what is it about Linux that keeps average Joe from using it?
>>>>
>>>> If Linux isn't anything to worry about, how come Microsoft spends so
>>>> much
>>>> in
>>>> anti-Linux FUD? The internet abounds with stories like:
>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/05/15/ms_slush_fund_provides_big/
>>>
>>> Microsoft is afraid of Linux on servers, ****table devices, embedded
etc.
>>> And they should be.
>>> They have nothing to fear about desktop Linux.
>>>
>>>
>>>> And you can't count in sales the downloads of Linux. I give out FREE
>>>> DVDs
>>>> to anyone that asks. Those will not even be on the download
counters.
>>>
>>> How many are still using it after a few days, or more realistically,
>>> hours?
>>> People try Linux and they dump it just as fast.
>>> Few stick with Linux.
>>>
>>>> And HP goes the distance producing printer drivers for an OS no one
>>>> uses.
>>>> Right.
>>>
>>> Why not?
>>> HP is a huge company that makes very large machines too so they
already
>>> have the infrastructure in place to do so.
>>> More icing on the cake.
>>>
>>> The BBC decided the Linux market at 0.8 percent wasn't enough to build
>>> in
>>> sup****t for their multimedia player.
>>>
>>>> You are right, Linux looses nothing if Apple wins. In fact, Apple is
>>>> BSD
>>>> UNIX inside and fully 100% interoperable with Linux. Unlike Vista
>>>> crippleware.
>>>
>>> I didn't say that.
>>> I said something like:
>>>
>>> Linux loses if Apple wins because those Apple converts could be Linux
>>> converts.
>>> But they are not.
>>> And it's doubtful if they ever will be.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It's the idea of Linux that MS fears. A computing paradigm that
contains
>> no
>> profit for MS. Why, if this idea took root, it could put companies like
>> Microsoft out of business! NO MORE 800 POUND GORILLA dictating computer
>> policy to the rest of the industry. Oh NO!
>
> Yes it certainly *could*.
Yep, it is about the commotization of the OS.
> But it hasn't and there is no indication that it ever will.
It will take time. Took Microsoft 10 years to remove mainframe terminals
and Novell. But also remember, what goes around, comes around. Just
takes
time.
For example, say Apple increases market share just 20% a year. Say they
have 5% now. Say Linux is similar. In less than 13 years Microsofts
share
will dimish to zero. While Linux and Apple are not that big, they are
growing and eating slowly now, and will feed in bigger chunks of Microsoft
as time goes by.
Apple knows this story, Apple II and Apple IIe were previously at the top
of
the heap before Microsoft.
Say Win7 flops. A Microsoft worst case scenario. It will accelerate. Or
if Microsoft gets greedy, ups the prices whuch often happens in a failing
business model.
> If Linux can't capitalize on Vista then there is no hope for Linux.
It is. Lets say you like Vista, you go out and buy it. Why not load
Linux
on the 3 year old PC and check it out? If you hate Vista, drop in Linux,
a
no charge trial and no charge if you want to keep it. Sure beats going
out
and buying Ultimate at $500+ for a full retail version to find out it
solves
nothing.
BTW, another achilles heal. Microsoft Windows products, especially the
likes of Vista do not integrate well in a mixed server environment outside
of HTTP.
Linux integrates nicely. A business driver. Also useful if your older
systems are all UNIX based. NFS mounts so much easier to other xNIXs it
is
nice. Vista isn't compatible or as stable with much.
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