George Graves wrote:
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 10:49:11 -0700, Steve de Mena wrote
> (in article <JL2dna0NQegK6rHVnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
>
>> George Graves wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 23:16:52 -0700, Steve de Mena wrote
>>> (in article <EcudnZ786ezISLbVnZ2dnUVZ_tDinZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
>>>
>>>> George Graves wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 13 May 2008 23:48:21 -0700, Sandman wrote
>>>>> (in article <mr-7D2D9E.08482114052008@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>
<637fcd65-1c97-42b2-b349-d4179d0e7b17@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>>>>>> gaintion@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HDTV certainly is the buzzword at the moment, and if you havenšt
heard
>>>>>>> it yet, where have you been?
>>>>>> Only if "for the moment" is "five years ago".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> My satellite TV service just added about 20 new HDTV channels on
Monday
>>>>> even
>>>>> though some (like "The Weather Channel") are kind of silly. HD is
not
>>>>> taking
>>>>> as long as color to catch-on here in the States (like I thought it
>>>>> would).
>>>>> Color broadcasting was introduced here in the USA in 1954 and it
took
>>>>> until
>>>>> 1966 for all the major networks to go 100% color for their
prime-time
>>>>> programming. That's 12 years after color broadcasting started. The
>>>>> networks
>>>>> had all gone HD for their prime time fare after about 5 years from
the
>>>>> start
>>>>> in 1999.
>>>> There are still a lot of network TV shows that are not HD in prime
>>>> time - in particular reality shows (to name just one, NBCs "The
>>>> Apprentice"). And a couple of years ago (past the "5 years from the
>>>> start in 1999") there were a LOT more shows in SD.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>> No clue? What a champion of the obvious. Of course there are still
some
>>> news
>>> and "reality" shows in SD, but just about all series: sitcoms and
dramas
>>> are
>>> in HD as are almost all s****ts. There are exceptions to everything.
With
>>> the
>>> so-called reality and news shows (like "60 Minutes"), its a conscious
>>> choice
>>> by the producers. I think that they believe that the SD stuff has a
>>> "grittier" aspect to it and a more news-reel like look. Certainly, the
>>> producers of programs like "Survivor" could afford to replace the
pro-sumer
>>> level cameras they now use with HD versions of same. They just don't
want
>>> to.
>> George, you said "prime time". Not "series".
>>
>> I quote:
>>
>> "The networks had all gone HD for their prime time fare after about 5
>> years from the start in 1999."
>
> Did I say that t ALL prime time shows had gone HD? Why, no, I don't
believe I
> did. What I said was that all NETWORKS had gone HD for prime time.
All the shows I cited were from the big NETWORKS George. NBC in
particular.
You make it sound like I mentioned shows from the Fi****ng channel, or
something like that.
>> SD is cheaper to shoot and edit. HD would look better for any of
>> these reality shows. The guy who produces Survivor, The Apprentice,
>> etc, is known for being cheap and not wanting to spend the bucks for
>> HD production.
>>
>> You actually are trying to defend their use of SD because it is more
>> appropriate to the content? Laughable.
>
> I doubt seriously that money is the issue here. THAT'S what's laughable.
If
> you have proof of this assertion, by all means post it. I'll gladly
admit
> that I'm guessing, but I cannot believe that the price of a couple of
> pro-sumer HD cameras is the reason the shows are SD. Also, I've done HD
> editing. Its exactly like SD editing except that the rendering takes a
bit
> longer. Again, it cost no more.
The cameras are nothing. It's the re-doing of the entire editing
suite that is the big deal.
The first Google link I found has Mark Burnett, producer of "Survivor"
and "The Apprentice", citing COST as the major factor in why they are
not going HD:
http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/mark-burnett-reveals-survivor-china-wont-have-an-exile-island-5555.php
"..."If CBS wants me to do it, I'll say yes," Burnett, citing the
"cost of upgrading the production" as his main issue with an HDTV
switch, told re****ters on Thursday, according to Television Week. "
>> "Deal or No Deal" and "The Price is Right". Both game shows, one in
>> "prime time", and still shot in SD.
>
> OK, so?
You said SD was better for reality as it was "grittier", but Deal or
No Deal's main gimmick are their 20 or so fa****on models holding the
cases. A sure candidate for HDTV.
Steve
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